When Do "Healthy" Habits Become Unhealthy?
In this episode, we’re exploring a question we don’t ask enough: when does good health advice go too far? We break down the risks of taking advice to the extreme, whether it’s about diet, fitness, or everyday wellness habits. We also tackle the stress of trying to follow health trends that may be doing more harm than good. If you’ve ever wondered when “healthy” starts to feel unhealthy, this episode is for you!
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Juna Hey, everyone, just a heads up. We do acknowledge the topic of eating disorders in today's episode. So if that's a tough topic for you, please feel free to go on to one of our other episodes. So today we're going to get a little meta.
Eddie Like Facebook? No, no. The other kind of matter, like the big matter.
Juna I didn't know if you would know what that was. I was like, does he know that that means Facebook?
Eddie Yeah, that's. No, I want to do real matter. Okay. What is it we're going to dive into?
Juna So as you know, a big part of our podcast is sharing health advice.
Eddie As my friends might say, duh. I mean, isn't that the point of all show?
Juna Yes, but here's the thing, Eddie. It can be really easy to take health advice the wrong way.
Eddie What do you mean? I mean, good advice is good advice, right?
Juna Well, if you remember, one of the main reasons that our episode started was me taking diet advice to an extreme and actually developing an eating disorder.
Eddie Right. And the show is about you. So there were.
Juna Two shows in the show. It was around me. The world was around me.
Eddie And be serious. We've talked about that a lot. Right. And appropriately.
Juna Right. But it's not just diet advice that can be taken too far, because honestly, any kind of health advice can be taken to an extreme and actually backfire, which is why we're talking today about how health advice can actually be bad for your health.
Eddie Wow. So we have to get you gave a warning at the top of the show and now we have to give a warning now that we're giving you advice about getting advice. Make sure it doesn't backfire. But let's let's talk about how your health can become worse from getting advice.
Juna So on today's episode, we're breaking down. How should you really take health advice? How do you know when it's too much and when is being healthy actually making you unhealthy? I'm unique at that.
Eddie And I'm Dr. Eddie Phillips, associate professor at Harvard Medical School.
Juna And you're listening to Food. We Need to Talk. The only health podcast that has been scientifically proven to give you reasonable, actionable health advice that will never backfire on your health. Before we start, if you guys want to get an email with each of our episodes outlining the main takeaways and the tips and tricks from each episode.
Eddie Kind of like a newsletter.
Juna Kind of like a newsletter. You know, so you can go to food. We need to talk.com/email and become part of our newsletter and that is free, fun and guaranteed no spam. So first we want to talk about why we had the idea for this episode, guys, because obviously, as you mentioned in the intro, a big part of this show came from not following health extremes. Right? Like that was what inspired the show. And we did an episode this year our most, I would say, stressful episode in terms of like the response we got.
Eddie Well, in terms of the listeners response, in terms of how it was affecting their life.
Juna Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people were like really scandalized by this episode and for good reason. I guess it's not a topic we talk about often, and when you hear about it, you're kind of shocked. But it was our episode excuse me, Actifs, which was all about basically the things that are our environment that are disrupting our microbiome and our epithelial lining, specifically microplastics. Yeah, that was a big part of it.
Eddie And I maybe just to interpret it a little bit. We talk about things that we can take action about and that one, he gave us some good advice about how to limit or never quite eliminate microplastics. But perhaps people just felt like a little bit overwhelmed, like, my God, this is the environment. I can't not live on this planet.
Juna Well, also because a lot of the things that are disrupting our epithelial lining in our gut, in our skin are in stuff that, like, we need to use like our detergents and our soaps and obviously, like, we have to wash our clothes and we have to wash our dishes. So I think that's why it's really jarring to hear that those things could potentially be not good for you. And, you know, with other things like cigarets, like you can just avoid cigarets. But we have to wash our clothes. And so it's it's just stressful. We have do all this research and whatever. Long story short, though, we got a message from one of our listeners saying that she wished we had also talked about the fact that this advice can be taken to an extreme and can also drive people crazy because she had a family member who had an autoimmune disease and had gotten similar advice from doctors and endocrinologists, and basically their entire life had been taken over by trying to remove these harmful chemicals, which obviously is impossible if you're never able to remove everything.
Eddie And the stress from that is likely worse than the effect of the on microplastics. So let's try to find a middle ground here.
Juna Right. Which is why we want to talk about this episode, because that is a huge theme of our show. Is that any advice we give or any topic we talk about, there is a way in which it can be taken to an extreme and actually be detrimental. But we really want to hone in on how do you find the right level of advice to follow so that your life is actually improved by it and not actually made worse by it?
Eddie And there are many. It's actually kind of funny. There are many definitions of health. Yeah, but the one that just to make it simple for us, you and me and also for the listeners is that we want to have health or true health as a state of physical, mental and emotional well-being. So let's try to reduce the stress of just trying to get so healthy. So it's not just the absence of illness. Yeah. And it's also not perfect adherence to health advice. Yeah.
Juna And I'm sure I don't know if you know people, but I definitely know people where like they might be doing everything physically to be healthy, but they're very mentally unwell and like.
Eddie Yeah, I mean they're.
Juna They're not really balanced in their approach, I would say. And their pursuit of health has kind of taken over their life. And so it really cuts into their mental health.
Eddie And so they might be in, quote, perfect health according to their definition. Right. But if you're not enjoying your life.
Juna You're right.
Eddie Then something's gone wrong here. Right. Let me ask you this, another idea also, which is that what I think we have implicitly tried to do only since 2018 is to avoid, like, absolutes. Yeah. Okay. Almost any health question can be answered with a probability of according to how much data we have on one side or another. And there might actually be 3 or 4 sides. And the idea of there being yes or no, like, this is bad or this is good is really not going to help you and yet turn on your Internet, your interweb, listen to, you know, things on the radio. Check out the latest.
Juna School, listen to the radio. I'm just getting you guys. I still listen to the radio. I'm joking.
Eddie And and you're going to see extreme headlines right now like Eat only this and you'll be perfectly healthy.
Juna Never eat this.
Eddie And you'll be perfectly healthy.
Juna Right. And I feel like that's honestly what sells a lot better in probably in all spaces, but especially in health and fitness. I mean, we. You experience this ourselves, right? Like when we're making episode titles, Eddie and I can never make an episode title. That's like the fastest way to lose 100 pounds or like the Miracle Diet that will cure X-y-z. Right?
Eddie We never mean we'd have more listeners if we did.
Juna Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, we actually have a really hard time with marketing because we don't make sensationalist claims. And sensationalist claims are really what sells in this industry, right? So a big part of I think probably the reason people think the extremes are the way to go is because that is what it says on the YouTube thumbnails. That's what it says in tech talks, that's what it says in news headlines, and it sells better and it gets more clicks. So that's another thing to think about for sure, is that like social media or the way social media portrays health is not the way that the average person should actually be thinking about health.
Eddie So I deal with this on an almost daily basis when I'm near the knee with a patient and often they're looking for tell me what to do.
Juna Yeah.
Eddie And I have to gently kind of talk them off the ledge and say like, I could do that, but you know, you're going to filter what you hear from me and you're going to make your own decisions. So why don't we understand that as I'm sitting here with you, you're the patient, that you're the expert on you and I will suggest a bunch of things. And then why don't we make it? Well, in medicine, over the past few years, we've gone from a very paternalistic. I will do on to you. I will prescribe this. I'm, you know, then hope that you actually fill the prescription. 5050 proposition have passed, but actually give advice that integrates with what's best for that individual. So we've gone from patient centered care to now the phrase that we use that the Vas patient driven care.
Juna Ooh.
Eddie And now not everyone wants to drive. Yeah. And if a patient says to me like, excuse me, you're the doctor, like, why did you decide I going, You have just made a really active decision to let me choose. Yeah. And I will do that. But if you decide you want to take the steering wheel, no problem. I'll give you another metaphor that I use that may come in handy here, which is, you know, once I've determined that the person's I don't know, shoulder hurts and I'm going to tell them I'm going to be like the waiter in the restaurant, you know, in those fancy places where they don't actually have menus. They just tell you what.
Juna My God, the.
Eddie Chef is is Guy, I'm going to give you everything on the menu. And let you choose. Understanding that if you don't want the lobster roll. It's still going to be on the menu. Because tomorrow you may call me back and say, Excuse me, They had the lobster roll today. So I actually go through that and I, you know, say like, well, you know, we could inject how much you want me to inject. We could give you pills. Unless you don't want pills. We could give you exercises. It's not you're not going to do them. And it's actually, I think the best way for the listener to understand that. Would you and I have been doing since 2018. And what we've continued to do is to provide the information so that you can make the best choices.
Juna And another thing I wanted to mention is that I also feel like sometimes the way studies are run is also a little bit misleading because studies are run in these, like, perfect environments a lot of the time, right. Where like, they can isolate one thing to change or one thing to measure. And I also feel like that doesn't usually give us the best proxy for real life. And so I feel like that also really confuses people because, you know, a study might seem like the optimal time to work out, but this is like the optimal time to work out is like early afternoon or something because of some ways your hormones fluctuate throughout the day. I don't know. I think it was like your cortisol fluctuation, something like that. The best time for everybody is early afternoon.
Eddie Though, according to if you look at the bell curve.
Juna Maybe for the average person.
Eddie Yes. But if you're a morning kind of person.
Juna Right.
Eddie And that's the only time you could do it. Our advice to you would be follow your gut, Right? You do what's best for you.
Juna But it's so easy to get caught up in the appeal of the optimal. And there are certain people that like, they just want to optimize everything. And it's like if a study says there's a way to do this where it's like it just might not fit into your life that way, or like you personally might not be part of that middle part of the bell curve. You might be on the other side. And so I feel like we also have to keep in mind how studies work and also how averages work and how large the population is and how diverse it is and how their standard deviations and all these things. So I feel like that's also an important thing that we don't necessarily talk about in every single episode, but should be implied in every episode. Is that like just because something is best for people on average, does that mean that it's best for you?
Eddie There's also a principle of coaching, health coaching that I think is coming up here, which is you could take the available information, you can assess with a little bit of mindfulness, how am I doing now? And then do an experiment and actually kind of like then be mindful again saying, I know I heard you and Eddie talked to some world expert who said that exercising right before bed is probably not the best time. But it makes me feel best. I sleep well and I'm otherwise not able to exercise in the morning because of my schedule. And it's finally like my my only me time. And you know what? Go for it. I mean, there is nothing wrong with it unless you are stuck on. Well, what's the very best time to exercise? And there are some study, as you mentioned, that chose middle of the afternoon. Are. Can I just disclose that I work in the middle of the afternoon and.
Juna You have a job.
Eddie And actually now, if I think back when I had a more naturalistic schedule, which was when I was in college where you could pick and choose what your classes are. I used to love to exercise late in the afternoon because I got through classes, spent my time in the library and then I was getting a little fuzzy around 4:00 and just like go hit the gym and then shower, go to dinner and now, you know, back to the library. That worked for me.
Juna Yeah. It reminds me of this review that somebody wrote where they were like, you know, I was so out of touch and she was talking about sleep advice and she was saying that like, I don't know, she doesn't use an alarm. And like, what craziness? If you have kids or you have work to go to, how could you ever not used to learn all those things? This person was like really upset and I kind of wanted to be like a lot of advice that we share on here is like, it is the optimal way or whatever, or it's like what the expert is telling us. But like truly, everybody has to figure out how to fit it into their own lives. And luckily, you know, certain people might have the privilege of like not having to use an alarm. Guess what? Now I do have to use an alarm, sadly, because I have to go into the office. Bummer. But just like it was just funny to me because I was like so much health advice. For example, like when you have kids, I only have a dog, right? And even with my dog, my health has or at least my health habits have significantly deteriorated. Okay. There's a lot of time to work out. There's a lot less time to meal prep, like your schedules.
Eddie Not yours.
Juna My schedules, not mine. Yeah. And so, like a lot of the things we share, they are for if you do have the resources for things, but feel free to, you know, change things so that they make sense for you and that they actually improve your life, not make your life more stressful. Like sometimes I just have to give in and just like order sweetgreen or kava or whatever. Not sponsored, although I wish it was just because I don't have like food prepped and that happens way more now that they have the dog because I just never get groceries and then I don't know.
Eddie It's still pretty appealing. If we could just give extremes.
Juna Yes. Right.
Eddie So, I mean, so why aren't they the answer?
Juna Well, I think if we look at health research, it doesn't take a lot of looking to see that extremes are almost never the answer in any health research. So, for example, like a really popular diet is the carnivore diet. Right? And that's all meat. Okay. And then we have the opposition, which is.
Eddie I'm not able to swear by it. Yeah. And you know what? They may feel great on it. I that's. So what do we say to that.
Juna Right. No it and maybe if it works for you, it works for you. But we do know that in the majority of studies that have looked at optimal human health. Right. It's a diverse diet. So it's not all vegetables. It's not all me. It is predominantly a plant based diet. Right. But that doesn't mean it's either extreme of the spectrum. And then we can see similar things to exercise, right? Like if you're only doing resistance training, you're probably going to lack cardiovascular. If you're only doing cardio, you're going to lock in your strength. And so I feel like with all health, at least in the research, it's pretty clear that the extremes are never going to lead to optimal health. It's always going to lead to some sort of imbalance somewhere in your life.
Eddie I just want to pick up on one word that you mentioned just a moment ago, which is the word predominantly. Yeah, which I think actually is a really good word. There is an active debate about whole food plant based diets. Which when I heard it, I thought, that's me, because I have a foundation of plant based, but I still eat some salmon, some chicken and some cheese, and I still, like, have my yogurt. But for many people, whole food plant based means like a healthy vegan diet. All right? I mean, vegan can be Twinkies and beer. We're not we're not advocating, My God. Well, just go buy it.
Juna Well, what are those? Oreos are vegan.
Eddie Are they?
Juna Yeah, they are.
Eddie Okay. It's not a cream based. Okay. So think about it. If you define vegan as well as it's defined, which is that you're not going to have any animal products, then you would not have any meat products. Any people won't eat honey because it's such a fish because it comes. Or is it a product of an animal or is an animal that's okay for some people. I choose the predominantly plant based. And for instance, one of my favorite sandwiches is a veggie Reuben. So I don't have whatever is normally a Reuben corned beef or something, but. The vegan cheese. I just don't like, you know, it's no bueno. And I, you know, I ask for real cheese and they are like they pause the guy, you want the vegan with the real cheese? It's not vegan anymore. I'm like, you got it. You know, make it.
Juna My God. This is like when I go to Starbucks and I get a pumpkin spice latte with soy milk and they're like, whipped cream. I'm like, Yeah. And they're like, you know, it's like cream, right? I'm like, Yeah. Yes. I want to say whipped cream.
Eddie And I am fully informed. But if I'm going to splurge and have whipped cream, I want the real stuff. Yeah, right. And on that note of real whipped cream on the on the side latte, we're going to take a quick break.
Juna Coffee break are.
Eddie Going to take a coffee break.
Juna If you like this episode, share it with somebody who you think needs to hear it. And we'll see you guys in a couple of minutes.
Eddie And we're back. Euna and I are talking about health information and how to incorporate it into your life in a sane and rational way.
Juna Yes. Another thing I want to talk about is focusing on the parts of your life that you can't control and not being so stressed over the things that you don't control. So, for example, the micro-plastics toxins pollutants thing is like a massive part of your life where there's only so much you can control. And I actually just heard an episode from the New York Times podcast, Wirecutter, which is where they test out products like this. Yeah, they have a new podcast. It's really good. And they did an episode on microplastics, and that episode also scared me. Yeah.
Eddie Because you couldn't control it.
Juna Because there's just so many things where I was like, like for example, polyester, apparently, like, sheds a lot of microplastics. And have you noticed that only one workout clothes every time in here? Like it's all, you know, not real fabrics, right? They're all plastic fabrics anyways. So I feel like there's just certain things that we have to accept that we have very little control over. Like even, for example, they were saying that our water is a big source of how we might get microplastics, right? So they said, you can get a filter. Guess what? The filter is made of plastic. What? What do you do? I mean, you know, some people can probably afford the fancy filters that go under your sink and don't have plastic. But most people, if you're renting somewhere, you're just going to have a Brillo, right?
Eddie So at my house years ago, my aunt was visiting and I got, I don't know, like an apple or something that we were going to serve. And I whipped out the vegetable wash.
Juna Yeah, right. I've seen that at Trader Joe's.
Eddie Yeah. So we have. Well, we have it at our house and I start washing and she just looks amigos. And what's in that? Yeah.
Juna Yeah. What. What is in this?
Eddie I think it's soap in it. I guess it's supposed to take off.
Juna Okay.
Eddie I actually. I don't know. Yeah, I.
Juna I endorsement. We don't know.
Eddie We don't know. But it's. It's a nice label, and it seems like it might take off. Whatever wax might be on certain fruits. Okay.
Juna Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eddie Does it wash or is this just a size. Well, I mean.
Juna Who knows? But there's a lot of things. It's like if you can't afford to buy organic everything, I mean, there's just a level of control you don't have. Or, for example, people who don't live near a good grocery store, right? Like, there's only so much control you have over your income. Or even remember, we had James Levine on, and he talked about how the majority of his patients, like, he was always super into, you know, taking walks and increasing your need throughout the day, which is your non exercise activity thermogenesis. But basically like, you know, try to increase movement throughout your day. And he talked about how when he worked at I think it was the Cleveland Clinic, he was in Cleveland somewhere, but he said that like the majority of his patients did not live in a neighborhood that was safe to walk around. Right.
Eddie So So don't do it.
Juna I mean, yeah, what are you going to do? Right? So I feel like stressing out over things that you don't control. Like, for example, like being upset that I have to use a plastic filter for my water. I mean, like, what if it has microplastic? It's like there's nothing else I can do. I've done my best. I picked the best option for me with the resources I have at this moment. And stress also is not good for you.
Eddie Right? Unless you're in control of the stress. I mean, like, exercise is stressing your body. Yeah, but you're in control of it. My.
Juna God. Uncontrollable stress. Yeah, it's. And by the way, stress is linked to almost every chronic disease that we know about, Right? Like increased stress worsens diseases and in some cases, causes diseases. So I'd say finding a way to live a stress free life, a.k.a. not worrying about things that are out of your control is going to be a huge benefit to everyone.
Eddie Although by definition, it's never going to be stress free. Yeah. But it's got to be something that you have some agency over in terms of the level of the stress. Like here's one we could go into. Which vegetables should you buy? Organic. And there's a dirty dozen which you can look up. And it's I try to remember it as the things that have like a more porous skin, like a strawberry. You want to buy organic, however. What if the organic is, like twice the price? Yeah. Maybe, You know, maybe that's too much to spend on that because you might be stressed out or not buying the apples.
Juna Or what if you don't eat as much so you don't get as much vitamin C because you're worried about getting the organic strawberries or something. Right? Like there's always trade offs to that.
Eddie And so so we hope that you're still with us here because.
Juna We've lost.
Eddie Them. No.
Juna Never mind. There's no.
Eddie Point. I think in the end, it's just like keep on coming back to what do I have control over? Where do I want to exert that control and when do I just want to, like, chill out and realize that, you know, there's a new balance that I'm looking for? I mean, I think in the end, it's about balance.
Juna Yes.
Eddie Right. I mean. You know, one of my frequently when I'm in front of an audience, which I enjoy doing, I will do a little survey of their health behaviors. Right. So we sort of run run through how much of the exercise, what kind of exercise and and how much sleep do you get and how much stress do you feel and how are your relationships? You go through everything. But when we get to the sleep question, it's like people just like embarrassed. They just like plop down in their seats after standing up. And then I ask for feedback and someone said all those other behaviors. Making dinner and talking to friends and getting, you know, my exercise and meditating, she goes, The only way I could do that is if I, you know, go to sleep if I don't, on my. Well, how do you feel? And they go really tired. I go like, yeah, maybe skip the meditation tonight. Yes, I sleep, you know. On the other hand, other people go like I like I feel great, you know, like, I'm so thrilled to be doing all those other things. I don't mind being a little bit tired. Yeah. And it's like, okay, you found the balance.
Juna Yeah. It feels like there's the three aspects of your health, the emotional, mental and physical that sometimes investing a ton into one might lower the other two. And so it's a game of trying to find something that puts all of them at a medium high level instead of putting one super high and the other too low. You know what I mean? And that's kind of weird because, you know, some things like having my mom's baklava, as I always say, good for my emotional and mental health, not good for my physical health. But I made that compromise because, like, I value my time at the moment.
Eddie If your mother baklava is not a compromise in any way.
Juna It's so.
Eddie Good. It's it's it's the definition of joy. So therefore, I don't know, lean into it. Yeah. Can I, can I actually give. We're trying to get away from warnings, aren't we? Yeah. But can I just give like an alert about not getting too hooked on balance.
Juna Yeah.
Eddie And it's a little bit of a metaphor. So my professional life is as a rehab physician, and I got into that in part because we examine and fix our physicality. I mean, like, look at people walk for a living and help, you know, why.
Juna Are you never helping me with my physical issues?
Eddie Let's let's do a whole episode.
Juna Guys, I have really bad tendinitis. Did Eddie come? Hell with my tendinitis.
Eddie I will help you as much as you want.
Juna And actually, one time I had a pulled from Boyd or something, and Eddie did, actually.
Eddie Do you own your back? Yeah.
Juna Yeah, there was my bag. And then you, like, I don't know what you like. Put your. Do you put your knee on my back?
Eddie That wasn't mine. It wasn't my knee.
Juna It was something.
Eddie I mean, like my knuckle or my elbow.
Juna Yeah. Something like.
Eddie A partial.
Juna Release. Anyways, Eddie is, like, such a useful friend to have. Okay, so I keep going.
Eddie Keep going. So. So in my world, I look at the amazing thing that humans can do better than almost any other animal, which is just to stand in balance like that. Part of what makes us human. Now, the fact that you're standing there and not falling over like, unbelievable. And I'm not going to get into that, so I'm not going to get into the details of that. But now you don't want to just stand in place like balance is lovely, but to get anywhere, you actually have to get out of balance. And as you take your first step, you are falling forward. So walking is a controlled fall. If you don't control that, you'll end up on the ground. But if you get a little bit out of balance, you walk slowly. If you're more out of balance and you're trying to keep up, that's called a run.
Juna Yes.
Eddie And there's something I'll just try to complete the metaphor here, which is that if you want to get anywhere in life, you actually have to get out of out of balance. So just kind of like hunkering down and saying, like, I finally figured it out. I've listened to all of their episodes and I, you know, I'm eating these foods and exercising at that time and meditating this much and reaching out to old friends. And I'm like, Great. But on the other hand, don't don't get hooked on that either.
Juna Yeah.
Eddie And by getting this straight, I.
Juna Know that's such a good point because it reminds you of when I think you're talking to Ben Verge on it for you. It was, but it was about how, like sometimes he says at his gym they'll do challenges each month, which are really extreme challenges. Like you said, like for a month they might do, like, for example, like how people do sober October. Yeah. Or they'll do like no sugar for a month or I know you've done the Whole30 for example. And the idea of these with.
Eddie Whole 13 though that's all right. We only went that far. That'll be 13 days of of a cleansing diet.
Juna Yeah. But the point of these really extreme changes is not actually to stay there because it's impossible for us to be there, but it's actually to experience those benefits that you might have from that month of no sugar.
Eddie While you're out of balance.
Juna While you're out of balance, and then go back to recalibrate your life afterwards and maybe with less sugar now because maybe your tastebuds have adjusted or maybe in Whole30 you found out. That actually you might be allergic to dairy or maybe. With Sober October, you're like, Wow, I feel so much better, but I don't drink alcohol. I'm going to reduce it afterwards. So I think there is something to be said for like extremes in the short term can give you information. But the point is that if they are unsustainable or if they're making your life miserable long term, then it's probably not something that's going to actually be beneficial to your health.
Eddie All right. So to wrap this up, you know, what are the rules of thumb? Because at the end of this, if you refer to our new newsletter, which you're welcome to subscribe to for free, we're going to tell you what to do. And I would say that basically, if the health advice that you're hearing or reading or seeing on TikTok, Instagram, etc., causes you significant stress, anxiety or interferes with your daily life, or you feel like I don't feel as good having given up something, then maybe, you know, back off. Now understand that some changes, like if you are now sedentary and you start to exercise, it's a stress, you're going to feel a little bit more uncomfortable for at least a little while. But in general, like, if the new health behavior is actually making you feel worse, I would back off and reassess.
Juna Yeah, And not only that, but it might just be too big of a change. So if going to the gym for, you know, an hour a day, if you've never gone before, is just like, really anxiety provoking. Then maybe, like start going for a walk somewhere or like just check in to the gym and like, try one machine and leave the gym, whatever the smallest doses that makes it tolerable to you and doesn't make it so stressful and anxiety provoking. That might be a better way to start than this big thing. That's like making you feel all this anxiety. And I think also just accepting what's not in your control and being hyper fixated on the things that are in your control is also just going to help us all be a lot less stressed out. And also, I think this idea of interfering with your daily life to the point where it's reducing your quality of life is so important. Because isn't the whole point of health to improve your quality of life?
Eddie We hope. Right?
Juna Like, why do we want to be healthy? We want to live a better life. And it's like if you just cannot stand a behavior that's supposed to be good for you and it's reducing your quality of life, then why are you even chasing this, quote unquote, better health if it's not making your life better? So I think think about what's actually making your life better. Don't make your changes too extreme and accept the things you can't control. And probably the health changes you make will be good for you. What do you think?
Eddie I think that people should share what they are finding with. Yes. Write a review. Yes. Give us five stars. If we are worthy of the five stars.
Juna And if we're not, just don't leave a review of.
Eddie That and understand that this whole episode actually was in response, as you said, to comments from listeners and got us thinking and chewing on what it is we're doing here. So hope you've enjoyed our back and forth as we want to move forward and get everyone healthier, happier and have a better quality of life.
Juna Thank you so much for listening to this episode and we hope that this helps you navigate all the other episodes of our podcast as well. We will continue to give our health advice.
Eddie Amen.
Juna And hopefully it will be taken the right way. And if you.
Eddie Are the greatest, all but not too much thought because that's.
Juna Right what they not extreme amount of salt. If you want to hear our bonus episode where we are going to go through some of the mistakes we have made ourselves with health advice.
Eddie It's a long bonus.
Juna Go to food. We need to talk.com/membership. You can find us at food. We need to talk on Instagram. You can find me at the official Yoona on Instagram and Yuna Jara on YouTube and Tik Tok. You can find Eddie.
Eddie Just trying to stay healthy in the broadest way possible.
Juna Food We Need to Talk is produced by me and Rebecca Sydell and is distributed by PR X.
Eddie Our mix engineer is Rebecca Sydell.
Juna We were created by Kari Goldberg, George Hicks, Eddie Phillips and me.
Eddie For any personal health questions, please consult your health provider to find out more. Go to food. We need to tor.com. Thanks for listening.
