Q&A - Weight Loss Shakes, Cortisol and Your Waistline, & More
Today, we bring back one of our favorite episode format: the Q&A. What are our thoughts on weight loss shakes and meal services? How does cortisol impact weight loss? What is our best advice for starting a podcast? And, how can we push through fitness plateaus?
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Juna: Welcome to another episode! Today we are bringing back one of our old favorite episode formats, the Q and the Q and the Q.
Eddie: And a new theme, a new theme. I think it's really nice for us every few months to sort of clean out the inboxes. You guys are sending questions to our Instagram to our email list.
Juna: Keep it offsite.
Eddie: To the website. Yes.
Juna: Yeah, there's like the form submission I get. I get questions all the time on the website. You guys, people on the website, they're showing up and showing out, okay, I get the nicest messages these long emails. I think because the website allows you to write a lot. So a lot of the questions and keep them there.
Eddie: Keep the questions coming. But let's let's handle a few of them today.
Juna: Yeah okay. So today we're going to be talking about a lot of different topics. Our thoughts on prepackaged weight loss shakes is Eddie starting SlimFast. How how long after weakening should you wait to have your cup of coffee? Whether high cortisol is preventing you from losing weight, and even how to break through a fitness plateau? You guys, I know you've had them, I have. So we're going to talk all about it today.
Eddie: And if you're want your question on the next Q&A, you can send it to Instagram at food. We need to talk or email us at food. We need to talk at gmail.com.
Juna: On today's episode, weight loss shakes caffeine the podcasting business. Pushup plateaus. Cortisol. We're answering all your questions. I'm Juna Gjata.
Eddie: And I'm Doctor Eddie Phillips, associate professor at Harvard Medical School.
Juna: And you're listening to Food We Need to Talk, the only health podcast that has been cited by a PhDs dissertations.
Eddie: More about that later is.
Juna: Well, I guess technically it was our book, but whatever. We got cited. Okay. It's us. First, we want to start off by shouting out one of our favorite reviews. Guys, we are so close to 2000 reviews, so if you haven't given us a review yet, please go. Leave a five star rating and reviews can get over that two k mark. I don't know what it does, but I think it does help us.
Eddie: It makes us feel better. That's all that matters.
Juna: Yes guys, it takes a little time that makes us so happy. And you do? I do the honors of reading the review.
Eddie: Okay, so first off, the person writing, I love this name. Trying to be rational. I think that kind of summarizes we try to do.
Juna: Yeah, yeah. That's summarizes us all the time.
Eddie: And it says love the podcast, good science and discussions, excellent nutrition and health care presentations. Highly recommended. Thank you. So we.
Juna: Know we love it. That's actually like a pretty accurate description of the part. I think, and all of these reviews guys really help other people find the podcast. They make me feel better. So thank you for everyone who leaves them. And now let's get straight to the episode. Okay, Eddie, our first question is from Missy on Instagram.
Eddie: So Missy asks, what are your thoughts on prepackaged weight loss products like Nutrisystem or Optavia?
Juna: Yeah.
Eddie: Do you want.
Juna: So I was like.
Eddie: The question is.
Juna: Yeah, I was like, what? What are these things? Because I remember SlimFast, that's the only one I remembered. And I think I've tried them before. And I was like, little I think my mom or somebody must have bought them with them in the house. I'm really taste like kind of gross chocolate milk. And that's all I knew about, like weight loss shakes. So then I did a little research on these systems Nutrisystem, Octavia. And, it appears as though they're actually not just shakes anymore. Now they're kind of also, prepackaged meals and you get instructions, but you most the time you're eating things that they send you and then sometimes get instructions about like things you cook. Outside of that, I'd say the first gigantic red flag. Do you know red flags?
Eddie: Yeah.
Juna: Oh, okay.
Eddie: I just I don't know because.
Juna: Because listen to it. Let me explain, because I thought it was like just the dating terminology that people use on TikTok. It's like a big thing on TikTok to be like, this guy's red flags are this, this, this. No. Like, what are your biggest red flags on dating apps? So I don't know if it was a that.
Eddie: I can't help you with, but I need to tell you that there are red flags in all walks of life.
Juna: Okay, okay. I don't know if it was like a terminology outside of tick tock. Thank you. This is what's what? You live online. You just, like, lose all sense of reality. All right, so.
Eddie: Onto the red. Yeah. Yeah.
Juna: The biggest red flag was I, the second I clicked on a Nutrisystem website because I want to see what was in the food, what was in the ingredients and stuff. The very first thing you see is like, give us your name and your email, lose 7 pounds in seven days. And I think anytime you see any sort of company making a weight loss claim like that, you should be a little bit suspicious because it's impossible to lose 7 pounds of fat in seven days unless you're like, literally not eating all day. You're fasting for seven days. And even then, I don't think even 27 pounds. Right? So if you're losing 7 pounds in seven days, that probably means you're losing water weight. But they're trying to trick you by, you know, bribing you with the scale weight. And it's basically just because they're going to be giving you foods that are probably a lot lower carb than what you usually eat, and that makes you lose a lot of water. And so the scale goes down. So you're like, oh my gosh, this is working. I think there are pros in the sense that it's extremely convenient if you don't like cooking and if you have a lot of extra money and you don't want to cook, and you don't want to spend the time to think about what foods to eat, then yeah, this company will send you prepackaged foods. On the other hand, when I was looking at some of the foods they send, it didn't really look like they were looking for healthy foods. It looked like they were just sending low calorie foods. So for example, the snacks were like cookies, brownies, cakes, but just low calorie cookies, brownies and cakes, which aren't necessarily healthy snacks. It's expensive, obviously, because you are paying for people to put it together for you and send it to you. And then also, I think it doesn't really solve the real problem of what happens after your subscription. You're not going to buy Nutrisystem for the rest of your life, so you don't know how to cook and you don't know how to portion your foods. And then once you're left out in the wild again, it's pretty difficult to moderate to those levels of calories because that food is not pre-made for you. And it's probably also not going to taste as good if you're making it yourself, because it's not going to have all these other artificial additives in it.
Eddie: So, oh, I might argue my taste better. Well, if you're cooking.
Juna: It could taste better. But like if you're trying to make like a low calorie cookie yourself, it's pretty hard because they're they're using all these like, I don't know what they're using. You know, if you're making like, actual good food, like vegetables. Sure. Yeah. Yours will taste better for sure.
Eddie: So, for many people, figuring out what to eat at all. And we just sort of like planning ahead, meaning not just arriving home and saying, I'm hungry. Yeah. Or buying, you know, pulling over to a fast food on the way home. But I'm saying actually planning for what to eat is a really big cognitive load, which is fancy doctor talk for. It's complicated. It's a lot. And you have to think about it. And it's sometimes hard to think about what. You're going to have for dinner when you're just had lunch and you're not hungry. So these systems can reduce the cognitive load. And they can also maybe break your old patterns. That's so, you know, if that works for someone. So they break their old pattern and they start, losing weight because that's what they're trying to do. And then they mindfully then have a minute to kind of plan for, okay, the 28 days are up. What am I going to do differently than I did before? It's like I'm not just going to go back to stopping for fast food every night. Yeah. You know, maybe it will help.
Juna: I don't know, it can be like a bridge.
Eddie: Yeah. I mean, do they report data on the systems of what actually works and how sustainable?
Juna: I don't know, I didn't see any, but honestly, I would also be very skeptical of any data they are reporting. I would want to see somebody else like doing a study on them reporting it, because obviously they're very capable of changing the data so that it looks good for them. The other thing I was going to say was this was true for Optavia. I don't know if this is true for Nutrisystem, but it's true for a lot of companies that are that used to be traditional kind of weight loss companies like Weight Watchers, or then it was called WW. Noom, they are all partnering with companies that provide GLP one inhibitors like Ozempic now. So all of them are doing partnerships with these companies to basically provide medication, as well as the nutritional plans as a way to stay afloat, because I think they're all terrified they're going to go out of business. And in my opinion, the medications are a thousand times more effective. If you're just looking for weight loss, the medication is going to be way more effective than whatever Nutrisystem blah, blah, blah system is. And so I'm like, I think it would be more worth it to learn how to cook and get the medication through your doctor if you're eligible for it, then to get the medication through these companies and be given the meals are giving you, I don't know. I feel like it'd be better to invest the time in learning how to cook or invest the money and taking a cooking class. Or like Blue Apron, HelloFresh, Purple Carrot, those meal kit services like those are really good. Bridge to learning how to cook your own food too. Because I think learning how to cook is just a skill you'll have to know for the rest of your life. And also managing portions is a skill we'll have to know for the rest of our lives too. So putting it off, learning those skills might buy you some time or some short term results, but it's not solving the root of the issue.
Eddie: And I could, share that because of my main cook in my house, my wife being overly busy recently, we've resubscribe to Purple Carrot and a couple of meals a week. It actually is fun. Everything is set up in front of you in terms of the portion sizes and, you know, boy, where is that? Baking soda? Right here, you know, where's the where's the little capers that you're putting into the into the dish? They're all right here. And it's sort of like, to me, it's like a gateway drug. Yeah. Like I feel more confident to next try cooking without having everything laid out in front of me. I feel like I could kind of do that myself. So having a little help from the outside is probably not the worst thing.
Juna: Yeah, I agree, and even there are other companies too that provide prepackaged meals that are based around actual meals. I think, like my big problem with Nutrisystem in Optavia is that a lot of the things they send you are kind of like these vitamin packs and these shakes and things. And that to me is also just like red flag, red flag, red flags. It's like, why are you getting this like mush of like what is in it? And we don't know where it came from and we don't know what proportions you're putting in all these things. So even if you subscribe to some sort of meal kit service, that is just you're making real food at each meal. I think even that is like taking a lot of the burden off, but also giving you real food.
Eddie: Shall we move on to the next question?
Juna: Yeah.
Eddie: From Shannon and I, you have to help me translate my flippy.
Juna: For you page.
Eddie: Hahahahahahaha.
Juna: That's the page on TikTok where all your TikToks come up.
Eddie: Okay.
Juna: It's like the explore page on Instagram, if that helps. I don't know if that helps at all.
Eddie: Like I said, my f y p is all full of cortisol. Is her page full of cortisol? Saying it's the reason I can't lose weight. Is that true? Are we fixing Shannon's fight or women's FIP? Or does she want to know about the effect of cortisol on losing weight or gaining weight?
Juna: Okay. Shannon, this is a great question. So I've done a fair bit of research on this for the book when we had our whole stress chapter, and there is a lot of research on cortisol in weight. The relationship between cortisol and weight is bidirectional. So what that means is higher cortisol does make it harder to lose weight, but also losing weight increases your cortisol. And this makes sense if you think about it. Right? Because first of all, if you're in a highly stressed state, which is why your cortisol would be high, then obviously your body is in some sort of state of. Resources are scarce, and so losing weight is definitely not a top priority. In fact, it probably wants to hold onto weight, so that will be prepared for whatever it is stressed about. And then it also makes sense that if you're losing weight, that your body becomes more stressed because it thinks that something is going on because you're not intaking as many calories as you are expending. So these two things both make sense. I don't think it's true that having high cortisol is going to make it impossible for you to lose weight. It just makes it harder. And it's also true that cortisol changes the way fat deposits on your body. So higher cortisol levels are associated with more fat around the abdomen area, which is also unfortunate for anybody that struggles with that around the admin area. That's like.
Eddie: Well, it's also an unhealthy place to deposit fat. And it's not just that we don't want to have fat around our middle, but it's actually unhealthier than the fat around your legs. Sort of that.
Juna: Right?
Eddie: The difference between what pair shape the weight around your your legs and your bottom is healthier than around your middle.
Juna: Yeah. There's actually like very little research to show any negative health effects of fat around the butt, hip, leg area. And all the research is basically about the fat around the abdominal area.
Eddie: The other thing is that people respond differently to cortisol. And I think you can actually just sort of look around and look to yourself and your nearest friends. When some people are under stress, they are drawn to eating what, sugars and fats. Yeah. And other people, they are actually appetite. They lose. Right. They're like sort of low cortisol responders. So I think that in answering, Shannon, it's a it's as you're pointing out, it's nuanced. It's not everyone's going to respond the same way. So, I don't know, go change your FYP somehow I think.
Juna: I think the people are saying this because there is an association between cortisol and obesity. They have seen that people with obesity do tend to have higher cortisol levels, but we don't know if that's a causal relationship or if that's a correlational relationship. So if you're worried about your cortisol levels, I think your action items would be do things to relax, like meditation or breathing exercises, or go outdoors and then lowering your cortisol levels. It's not just for your weight, it's for your overall health. So regardless of whether or not cortisol affects your weight loss, I think we should all be trying to reduce our stress levels, because stress is like one of the biggest things that causes disease in the human body. So for all of us, regardless of weight, we should be trying to reduce our cortisol. And yeah, I think like you said, I think it really depends on the person, how they respond to higher cortisol.
Eddie: Our next question comes from Amanda on Instagram. It says, hey guys, I'm a long time listener of the pod and I was wondering about the podcasting business. What's it like? I've always wanted my own podcast, but I've always talked myself out of it. Also, have you ever considered going weekly? Few things. One, the kind of stuff that I really like to get into and just love chatting with you. And we talk a lot offline. It's not just these few precious minutes. Sort of on the air is all of the wonderful things that we talk about, about food and our crazy relationship with our bodies and how complicated things are. But the rest of the time is spent worrying about how to keep a podcast going, and indeed, how to have high level production and to grow an audience. And the simple answer is that we are committed to coming out every other week on our main feed, and we have actually gone weekly by filling in on our Patreon.
Juna: Yeah. So basically, I think what you're trying to say is it's a tough business. Haha. That was Eddie's circuitous way of saying it's a tough business to be in, I think. Amanda, I've actually gotten a few other listeners that have reached out with similar questions. People that have basically said, I want to do what you do. I've met with a few of them on zoom before they reached out to me through LinkedIn, and I've met with them on zoom, and I don't want to be the person that's like, don't do what I do. It's so hard because I feel like adults used to always hear after me when I would say, I want to be a pianist, they'd be like, oh my God, don't do this. Do something else, please. It's so hard, blah blah, blah blah. And I was like, oh, you're being such a Debbie Downer. So I don't say that to people cause I don't wanna be a Debbie Downer to their dreams. But I will say it is a very, very difficult business to be in, and I think it's only gotten more difficult. I think when we first started, it was way less saturated. So it was a lot easier to even make money just to keep the podcast afloat. I just want, you know, Eddie and I have never been rolling in it. I wish we were.
Eddie: Yeah.
Juna: That would be awesome if we were just, like, making tons of money from the pod. But like, we're not. And it's only gotten more difficult, I think. So I would say if you want to do it as like a fun hobby or like, a side thing, you can grow it on the side outside of work until it makes enough money to be something that you can do for work. So I never say don't do it, but I will say, like quitting your job to. To start a podcast is very scary because it's really hard to build an audience. It's really hard to like, accept appropriate sponsors. That's another thing that I always struggle with, is that we don't accept a lot of sponsors we get because they are not companies that we agree with. So that's why we've started a membership to be able to always have ethical content, in our opinion, like things that we agree with without having to shut down the podcast basically. Right. So it's like to keep the podcast going. We've asked listeners that really care about it to give a little bit of money so that they can get extra episodes. But yeah, it's basically because we don't want to accept unethical sponsors, and because media in general has had a massive decline over the past 2 to 3 years, like ever since Covid, basically there's been a massive decline, which you would have thought it would have spiked because everybody was home.
Eddie: Yeah, I don't know. I think the advertising money is shifting around. So I mean, just one other thought, which comes back to maybe some of the content that we try to get across is if you're thinking about doing a podcast, examine the same question I would ask a patient is like, what's your why? What are you trying to accomplish by doing it? For me, this is like practicing medicine with a megaphone. I look at it like I have the privilege of sitting with individuals one on one knee to knee. I could listen to them, I can answer, I can get a bunch of patients together in a group. I put on large scale conferences for doctors. So there's 500, health professionals. They've got thousands of patients. Wow. We're reaching tens of thousands of individuals indirectly or unit. And I can sit here and hopefully entertain you and hopefully educate you and have over a week, over 4 million downloads. So the megaphone is pretty loud also. And that's part and the lovely responses that you get and the reviews that you keep on writing keep us going. So thank you.
Juna: We got like a really cute email from a girl that said she cited us in her dissertation. That warmed my heart.
Eddie: Oh, now I know we. Wow. So we've made, someone got a PhD by listening to food. We need to. That's a lot.
Juna: To say in our intro next time. And the doctor that, like, bought them for the people in his office, I just. Yeah, those are so nice guys. Anyways, it's a very, very fulfilling job I will say that. And with that, we will be right back after this break.
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Juna: Yeah, sure. So I've been here before, not with pushups specifically, but with other exercises, like I get stuck at a certain number of pull ups, or I get stuck in a certain number of squats or whatever. And I think there are two components that you have to look at. One is the skill aspect and one is the strength aspect. Usually when people are down at the super low numbers, like they can't even get the first push up or the first pull up. Oftentimes it can be a combination of technique and strength, like they don't actually have the strength to do it, but they also don't exactly know how to do it in their body, which is fine. That just means you need to practice more. But when you're stuck at a higher number, like you're stuck at ten and you can't get past it, that's more of a strength issue, right? Because obviously you have the techniques to do push ups because you're able to do ten of them. So I would say in that case, you kind of have to mix things up and try to increase your strength in different ways than you have been. So if right now all you're doing is ten push ups and you just keep doing ten and you just get stuck a ten over and over and over again, you're not really challenging your body in new ways to actually get stronger, which means you're never going to get to the 11, 12, 13, etc. push ups. So one thing you can try doing is variations of push ups that make them more difficult. So you can see how many push ups can you do with your hands elevated. So for example, take 245 pound plates at the gym and put your hands on them like you're doing a push up. And then when your chest dips down, it actually dips down lower than it normally would in a regular pushup because the ground is now lower. And so that push up is a lot harder because it increases the range of motion. So see if you can get up to ten there. Because if you can do ten of those push ups, then when you go back to the floor, you should be able to do more. Or for example, you can try elevating your feet, like Eddie said and master those push ups. And once you get good at those, go back to the floor. You can try putting a plate or a weight vest on and seeing if you can do weighted push ups. And once you get good, those go back to a four. So it's all about trying to get stronger. And I think when you get stuck in kind of a certain number of reps, we just keep doing that over and over and over again hoping that it gets better. And we need to find a way to challenge ourselves so that our body actually does get stronger, to get better at that thing.
Eddie: And another thing to think about is that your nervous system, which is controlling the firing of your muscles, is infinitely able to adapt to whatever you throw at it. So another wrinkle to put in to what Eunice just described is you could do your push ups at different velocities. Let's do a quick one. Yeah.
Juna: And explosive push.
Eddie: Ups. Explain how those work.
Juna: Yeah. So those are like you push off the ground as hard as you can as fast you can. And sometimes people's hands will even come off the ground. Those are kind of like clapping push ups is the really fancy version where you try to clap in between your push.
Eddie: Ups, and then you can concentrate on lowering slowly, which is another way of using, in this case like eccentric contractions, right, lengthening. So the mix it up. And then when you finally go back with all of this advice that we've given you and you go back to do the ten push ups, you might be able to sneak out 11 and 12.
Juna: Yeah. But like don't do your regular ten push ups for a couple of weeks. Like do these other things pick 1 or 2, maybe two, punch your workouts and stick to progressing those for at least 3 or 4 weeks before you go back. Because if you do it once and you go back, you're not going to be stronger, right? So you have to actually, like, really commit to something else different and give your body time to adapt to it and then go back and test your push ups. And with that, guys, that's all the questions that we're going to do on here. But I wanted Eddie to tell a quick story. Worry that he told me about when he came in today, because I just thought it was so good and it just it made so much sense. And he had to share it on the boat.
Eddie: The one about how contorted our thinking about it can be. That's the one. Okay, so the quick story that I just heard from a colleague the other night, we were at a cooking course at Harvard Medical School. Well, amazing shout outs to my colleagues who are putting this on. The story that was told was the menu for a new restaurant was coming out, and they were rushing out to get the menu, and they described all the food because you start to like, enjoy the food, even when you're just sort of reading the menu. Right. You know, I'm gonna have those, those mushrooms and they're going to be savory and oh, that's, you know, great. And they didn't. And that was it. And everyone ordered all this different food from the menu because everything sounded delicious. And then they caught up and they go, oh no, no, no, we wanted to put down and mark which ones were vegetarian and which ones were heart healthy and which ones were vegan. And then they looked and they realized that people stopped ordering the ones that were, that were measured, you know, like as like, oh, this is the one you have because they, I imagine, thought they're not going to taste as good. Yeah. So this is the big push for people want to have food that tastes good. The story that I told the students was that there's a corollary in the physical activity exercise world. So here's the setup. They invite 20 people into the study and everyone, everyone shows up at the at the study. Of course, it's a psychology study. And there's always not always, but there's a little bit of a ruse. So they said, oh, you know, the doctor is late. You have 20 minutes in the first ten people. They say, just go for a walk. If you follow this path, it's like a mile. Should take you 20 minutes. It's so nice outside. It's beautiful. You'll have a great time. See you back in a few minutes. And they're great. And then the other people, they sent them on the same path. But the instruction was, you know, you have 20 minutes and 20 minutes. You could walk approximately 2000 steps. And that will improve your cardiovascular fitness and reduce your risk of dying. And it's really important that you do this. And they went out and they did the same exact walk and they came back. And then they had a little spread of food out. So, you know which of those two groups had more brownies and, and.
Juna: I already know the answer to this, but I guess the right one earlier, I swear to God, which is the group that you thought they were doing it for their health.
Eddie: They eat more. And they also, when they ask them to describe the walk, they would say, oh, it was pretty challenging to do 2000 steps so quickly. And so here's my take home, and I think we try to get this across on the podcast, which is eat food because it's delicious. Move your bodies because it makes you feel good.
Juna: Don't do anything.
Eddie: For your health. Don't do anything for your health. Unsubscribe right now. That's a.
Juna: Jive. Don't do anything for your health because it'll backfire. No, this happens to me all the time. The other day, me, my roommate went for a run. And, like, on our way back, we saw that Mike's patron got cannolis because we were like, we deserve it. We went on a run.
Eddie: Of course you deserve just one.
Juna: Yeah, exactly. No, I got like, five. Never like. It's true, guys, I think the overall message is that, like, if you don't find another reason to do the things you're doing that like your psychology will backfire on you and it'll end up not working your favorite. So anyways, we've decided to end the podcast. And with that we will see you guys never understand. Hahahahaha! I'm just kidding. Anyways, thank you so much for joining us. If you want to hear a couple more questions, including when should you drink coffee? Should you wait a full 90 minutes after you wake up? Which supplements can be trusted and more. Then you can head over to our membership. Food. We need to talk.com/membership. Speaking of supporting the pod and keeping the pod going please. but yeah guys thank you so much for listening. And I usually take this time to thank our guest, but we didn't have guests today. So I'm going to thank our listeners for turning in their incredible questions. Thank you guys. You always send in the best questions are always so interesting and we love them so much. If you want to follow us on Instagram and be part of the next Q&A, you can follow us at food. We need to talk and see any of my dog. That was a big hit last time. You can follow me on Instagram at the official Yuna and Yuna Jada on YouTube and TikTok. You can find Eddie.
Eddie: Exercising because I like it. Oh hey.
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